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Loyal Servant
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Posted - 2008.02.15 01:04:00 -
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CCP? nerf isk farmers?
I'VE BEEN HIT WITH THE LOL BAT! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!
No, my MM friend, isk farmers own this game.
We have to stop buying their isk!
CCP needs to ban the farmers and the BUYERS MORE!
I can count how many bans I have seen on one hand.. even when it is OBVIOUS!
Lets put this in perspective:
We hunted an isk farmer raven for over a week.
The only way to flush these farmers out is to completely cut off their means of getting loot out and ammo in.
We did it, but it took a corp effort across all timezones and guys to fill in the gaps and low and behold, his resupply hauler got ganked.
40 mins later, another resupply in a frig with stabs and mwd, etc. ganked.
after not being able to farm or get supply in, he tries to get out using the raven and cloak with faction cruise that he got from an npc.... and then we got him.
Total elapsed time between discovery, lockdown and gank was approx 4 days.
isk farmers have been boosted so much by CCP in the form of:
1. concord buffs
2. wrecks/cans no longer show on system scanner (NOT TALKING ABOUT PROBES!)
3. allowing rapid logon/logoff to evade probing or aggression.
4. rapid closure of any and all petitions rendering those useless.
Think you can get rid of farmers?
There are some of us that have..
I spent the last 2 years trying.
Don't let me discourage you, tho.... try it :)
So, why is ccp messing with my sig?
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Loyal Servant
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Viper Intel Squad
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Posted - 2008.02.15 01:19:00 -
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 Originally by: ToxicFire
people are shooting in the dark hoping to get some sign from ccp that their been proactive about trying to prevent macroers.
TBH, macros are not an issue.
Most people think of farmers and macros as the same thing when they are really 2 different animals.
Most of your macro miners are gone.
What is left are the adaptive isk farmers that are sweatshop workers.
They do virtually everything in eve to farm as much isk as they can.
CCP being proactive about it? Doubtful.
Some of us have been doing this for, literally years on end.
We would notice if the population suddenly declined and it's actually increasing monthly.
There is a market for isk, that is why they are here in droves.
They play via time card and players are eager to sell them cards so they can farm isk for the guys that obtain it illegally.
When the GTC for isk thing came into play, that is when farmers exploded.
They in a sense have created the problem.
Killing GTC for isk may actually put a dent in them.
So, why is ccp messing with my sig?
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Loyal Servant
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Viper Intel Squad
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Posted - 2008.02.15 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: Sandman 17
The solution is simple. Make it so Ravens can no longer fit cloaking devices. Problem solved.
They will just log.
Adaptation complete.
So, why is ccp messing with my sig?
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Loyal Servant
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Viper Intel Squad
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Posted - 2008.02.15 02:31:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Make people that log off in mid space log back on with offlined modules. (wich only should work like this in non dead space ofc)
Ratter problem fixed.
YEAAAAAAAAA NO. GOT BAD IDEAS?
People that crash now get ganked because they are defenseless against a fracking n00bship.
Farmers simply log again when someone is in the system.
Adaptation complete.
So, why is ccp messing with my sig?
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Loyal Servant
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Viper Intel Squad
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Posted - 2008.02.15 06:16:00 -
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Edited by: Loyal Servant on 15/02/2008 06:16:37
I'm not going to quote your post, I'm kinda tired.
Yes, if they wrote the client halfway decent you can trap the normal methods of exiting eve, such as closing the client via the X in the cormer, or in the escape menu by hitting exit or via keyboard shortcut.
These are all events that exist in the Windows API and are most definitely trappable events.
I have suggested it before but CCP does not read my posts. 
LOTRO has this implemented to a science.
If you log out in a fellowship you drop from the fellowship.
If you crash or become disconnected for any other reason other than a normal client shutdown it notifies every other fellowship member by displaying 'link dead' in their vitals section.
So, they are trapping normal/non-normal exits of the client.
HOWEVER:
The isk farmers can adapt!
They will simply put the Ethernet switch up on their desk and pull the power out of it so their whole bank of machines running x eve accounts will go 'link lost' if you will, and they can claim crash and exit immediately.
So, for every counter to farmers (which they won't even try) there is a method for farmers to adapt.
It is a slippery slope.. you code in all these changes and they can defeat this mechanism in 30 seconds.
You, as a programmer just spent 2 weeks coding in and testing these changes..... just to have them obsoleted in 30 seconds.
Your idea of a logout timer is the most reasonable one out there, IMHO.
But, as you can see I just poked holes in it...
I still think it's worth a go.
Edit: I saw your edit and .... well... yeah you thought of it too. hehe.
So, why is ccp messing with my sig?
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